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Thursday, January 7, 2010

Lacto-Fermentation Hits and Misses- Our Results




Mayonnaise and Ketchup both Lacto-Fermented

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24 comments:

motherhen68 said...

You are so inspiring! I've yet to try half of the fermenting that you've done. :) Your family is also much bolder than mine, because I highly doubt that anyone would even taste fermented turnips! :)

The one ferment I can guarantee my family will eat is this fermented salsa by the Urban Homemaker: http://articles.urbanhomemaker.com/index.php?article=525 I make this about once a month. I've added a whole haberno pepper with just a slash in it to make it really spicy. That was a hit w/my hubs. I do have to use canned tomatoes, but next summer, I'll plan to can my own.

I'm going to try some of your fruit ferments. I did pineapple once and it was so tangy and sour, no one could stomach it.

motherhen68 said...

Just wanted to let you know, I looked around your blog after my last comment and I am loving it! You and I seem to be on the same "real food" journey. :)

I added you to my reader. I can't wait to see future posts.

Anonymous said...

Great post! I'm always curious about other experiences with fermenting veggies (haven't tried fruits yet.)

Michaela Dunn Leeper said...

You weren't kidding when you said you were really doing this LF stuff, huh!!! It looks great. Cortido is on my to do list.

Kim said...

Hi Millie! I am so glad you did this post...we've had very good results with the LF salsa and sauerkraut, but nobody would eat the beets. They seemed extra salty. Does this mellow with age? We had a lot of beets this summer and I ended up having to "pickle" them. Of course, everyone loves those.

I still have to try the grapefruit marmalade. I think the family will like that one.

Wardeh @ GNOWFGLINS said...

Great overview of your hits and misses! I would like to see the recipe for kraut that you tried - it isn't linked in the post. I've got some cabbage and want to try a new method this time.

Millie said...

Thanks everyone!
Motherhen: The salsa looks great. Thanks for the link. My family is surprisingly brave. My husband especially. It really does help me experiment knowing they will at least taste what I make (then they give me an honest review which sometimes I do not want to hear.)

Anon: I love doing veggies. I haven't been as pleased with the fruit results but I like my fruit sweet and salty fruit just seems wrong.

Michaela: I think you will love the cortido. Mine turned out very mellow and full of flavor.

Kim: My beets did mellow. I left mine at room temp for a few weeks until they were the right saltiness. Then put in the fridge where they continue to mellow just at a slower pace. We just finished up the last jar earlier this week. I wish I would have had more to do. Maybe next summer.

Millie said...

Wardeh,
Oops. I fixed it so the link is there now.

Wardeh @ GNOWFGLINS said...

Thanks, Millie - That's about how I did it last time only I used a fermentation master jar. This time I am just going to use a tightly capped jar like Annie. I don't like the bowl method - everything I have tried molds and spoils. :(

Angela said...

This is an excellent post! I'm so inspired to try more lacto-fermenting. My last few attempts were dismal failures that no one would eat.

And don't even ask about my attempt at Beet Kvass!

I'm going to be checking out all the links to the recipes you used and hopefully I'll have some successes soon!

Millie said...

Angela,
I made Beet Kvass a couple of times. It was okay once I got used to the taste of dirt... lol.

Donna said...

Millie-
Have you had this blog suspended for a while or something? I can't figure how I missed it!

You've got some great stuff here!!!!!!!!

I made the orange marmalade from nt once- but could never really figure out what to do with it! It was like a spicey orange syrup-juice. It had a good taste- but what to do with it? any ideas?

Millie said...

Hi Donna!
I started this food blog back in November when I discovered that my family blog was being taken over by food posts.
I think that I'll use some my kumquat marmalade as a flavoring for yogurt or kefir cheese. I'm thinking that would make it suitable to use on breads and crackers. I'm also thinking that it will be good with chicken. Like Chicken a la Orange.

Donna said...

Ah- ok- sounds good!
Well, I'm sorry I've been missing all the fun here! ;-)

Thank U for answering!!!
...I'm gonna have to get back here when all the kids are in the bed so I can prowl through your posts some more! Yummy!

Anonymous said...

Hi, I am quite new to the real food thing and I have a question about lacto-fermenting. I notice you use whey, however I am lactose intolerance and so have a dairy free diet. Do you know if the fermenting breaks down the lactose or would the final product still have lactose in it?

Millie said...

Hi Anonymous,
I don't know the answer. In Nourishing Traditions, Sally Fallon recommends using double the salt instead of whey if whey is not available (in vegetable recipes only, whey is needed for fruits) but I don't find anything written by her stating what to do if one has an issue with whey. I suspect that since the function of the whey is to help the fermentation process along that the whey is converted. And by eating the lacto-fermented items you are changing the flora in your intestine which I suspect would also be beneficial and help with your overall lactose intolerance. BUT these are just things that I think from my own research. To be safe, you might want to try doing some LF veggies just using salt (double called for) and eliminating the whey.
I'll try to do a little more research and see if I can get you a better answer.
Congrats on jumping into Real Food!

Anonymous said...

Thanks for your reply. Thats pretty much what I was thinking myself. I guess I will just have to try it and see how I go... My MIL keeps giving me probiotic supplements but I'd much rather get them from my diet if I can.

Anonymous said...

Wow, these look wonderful!

I'm relatively new to LF, but so far I've made Cortido (big Hit with me!!), salsa (big hit with the salsa eaters in the family!), and the ginger carrots (Miss, not sure what I did wrong...)

I'm wondering where you keep all of your LF goodies. My fridge is so full!

Thanks so much!
Kimber

Millie said...

Hi Kimber,

Since this post I've made Cortido too and we love it. I've also done Ginger Carrots and like you had a bit of a Miss. It's not that they are bad they are just not that good :-) I also did Kimchi which we loved. I'm waiting until summer for Salsa.

Where to keep the LF goodies is a challenge. I have a second apartment sized fridge that is pretty much full of LF stuff. But I can see a need for a better (bigger) solution. A cellar would be ideal and I am trying to convince my hubby that we need to add one. We'll see. I have heard of people storing LF stuff in the pantry. I tried that with some kraut and it got all soggy. I can't say for certain that it was from the pantry (maybe the way I processed it). I did leave some spicy carrot sticks in the pantry along with the kraut and they were still terrific. I kind of think that I could leave veggies that are in sticks or chunks in the pantry and veggies that are grated or shredded and fruit in the fridge. I'm still testing this theory though. Officially, they should have cool dry storage.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Millie!

Sorry I didn't get to check back sooner.

I haven't been brave enough to try putting any LFs in the pantry. I keep shoving stuff around in the fridge! I've got my eyes on Freecycle & Craigslist, though. Maybe a there's a second fridge out there for me somewhere. :-)

I did trace back through and find the recipe for Spicy Carrots. Yum! I really have been enjoying them with scrambled eggs in the morning, and also with a sandwich at lunch, sometimes.

I'm with you on the Cortido. It is so good! I've found that on the days I have LF veggies, I don't crave sugar/refined carbs. I'd call that a real win-win situation!

I've been trying to get my husband to eat the ferments that I make, but he can't get past the smell. *sigh* He will eat the salsa once in a while, though, so I just made a 1/2 gallon jar of that. Here's hoping...

Have a wonderful week, and keep up the great work!

Kimber

mere said...

The recipe for papaya chutney from Nourishing Traditions is definitely a HIT as well .. love you review of your creations - will definitely check back in often!

Debra said...

I'm hoping someone can help me out here. I have made lacto-fermented dill pickles, (no whey), just salt, grape leaves, dill. They are crispy and bubbly but don't taste right. They don't taste dilly, they taste very carbonated and sharp, but not good. Any ideas?

I let them sit out a few days then transferred them to fridge where they've been sitting for a couple of months. I thought they improved with age. Could they been too old?

I really want to figure this out and make something that tastes good while I can get the small pickles.

Advice welcome.

Thanks!

Millie said...

Debra,
I haven't done any kind of pickles so I'm no help to you. You might check with Wardeh at gnowfglins.com or Jenny at nourishedkitchen.com they both have extensive LF experience. Hope you can find an answer!

Rita said...

Your post was very helpful. I had tried kimchi recently and it came out fabulous, so I have been looking into other lacto fermentation projects. Based on your very positive "review" I decided to make preserved lemons when I found some organic ones on sale. I can't wait to try them!

Thursday, January 7, 2010

Lacto-Fermentation Hits and Misses- Our Results




Mayonnaise and Ketchup both Lacto-Fermented

This website has moved. To reach this post directly please click http://realfoodforlessmoney.com/lacto-fermentation-hits-and-misses-our-results/

You will be automatically redirected to the home page of realfoodforlessmoney.com in 10 seconds.

24 comments:

motherhen68 said...

You are so inspiring! I've yet to try half of the fermenting that you've done. :) Your family is also much bolder than mine, because I highly doubt that anyone would even taste fermented turnips! :)

The one ferment I can guarantee my family will eat is this fermented salsa by the Urban Homemaker: http://articles.urbanhomemaker.com/index.php?article=525 I make this about once a month. I've added a whole haberno pepper with just a slash in it to make it really spicy. That was a hit w/my hubs. I do have to use canned tomatoes, but next summer, I'll plan to can my own.

I'm going to try some of your fruit ferments. I did pineapple once and it was so tangy and sour, no one could stomach it.

motherhen68 said...

Just wanted to let you know, I looked around your blog after my last comment and I am loving it! You and I seem to be on the same "real food" journey. :)

I added you to my reader. I can't wait to see future posts.

Anonymous said...

Great post! I'm always curious about other experiences with fermenting veggies (haven't tried fruits yet.)

Michaela Dunn Leeper said...

You weren't kidding when you said you were really doing this LF stuff, huh!!! It looks great. Cortido is on my to do list.

Kim said...

Hi Millie! I am so glad you did this post...we've had very good results with the LF salsa and sauerkraut, but nobody would eat the beets. They seemed extra salty. Does this mellow with age? We had a lot of beets this summer and I ended up having to "pickle" them. Of course, everyone loves those.

I still have to try the grapefruit marmalade. I think the family will like that one.

Wardeh @ GNOWFGLINS said...

Great overview of your hits and misses! I would like to see the recipe for kraut that you tried - it isn't linked in the post. I've got some cabbage and want to try a new method this time.

Millie said...

Thanks everyone!
Motherhen: The salsa looks great. Thanks for the link. My family is surprisingly brave. My husband especially. It really does help me experiment knowing they will at least taste what I make (then they give me an honest review which sometimes I do not want to hear.)

Anon: I love doing veggies. I haven't been as pleased with the fruit results but I like my fruit sweet and salty fruit just seems wrong.

Michaela: I think you will love the cortido. Mine turned out very mellow and full of flavor.

Kim: My beets did mellow. I left mine at room temp for a few weeks until they were the right saltiness. Then put in the fridge where they continue to mellow just at a slower pace. We just finished up the last jar earlier this week. I wish I would have had more to do. Maybe next summer.

Millie said...

Wardeh,
Oops. I fixed it so the link is there now.

Wardeh @ GNOWFGLINS said...

Thanks, Millie - That's about how I did it last time only I used a fermentation master jar. This time I am just going to use a tightly capped jar like Annie. I don't like the bowl method - everything I have tried molds and spoils. :(

Angela said...

This is an excellent post! I'm so inspired to try more lacto-fermenting. My last few attempts were dismal failures that no one would eat.

And don't even ask about my attempt at Beet Kvass!

I'm going to be checking out all the links to the recipes you used and hopefully I'll have some successes soon!

Millie said...

Angela,
I made Beet Kvass a couple of times. It was okay once I got used to the taste of dirt... lol.

Donna said...

Millie-
Have you had this blog suspended for a while or something? I can't figure how I missed it!

You've got some great stuff here!!!!!!!!

I made the orange marmalade from nt once- but could never really figure out what to do with it! It was like a spicey orange syrup-juice. It had a good taste- but what to do with it? any ideas?

Millie said...

Hi Donna!
I started this food blog back in November when I discovered that my family blog was being taken over by food posts.
I think that I'll use some my kumquat marmalade as a flavoring for yogurt or kefir cheese. I'm thinking that would make it suitable to use on breads and crackers. I'm also thinking that it will be good with chicken. Like Chicken a la Orange.

Donna said...

Ah- ok- sounds good!
Well, I'm sorry I've been missing all the fun here! ;-)

Thank U for answering!!!
...I'm gonna have to get back here when all the kids are in the bed so I can prowl through your posts some more! Yummy!

Anonymous said...

Hi, I am quite new to the real food thing and I have a question about lacto-fermenting. I notice you use whey, however I am lactose intolerance and so have a dairy free diet. Do you know if the fermenting breaks down the lactose or would the final product still have lactose in it?

Millie said...

Hi Anonymous,
I don't know the answer. In Nourishing Traditions, Sally Fallon recommends using double the salt instead of whey if whey is not available (in vegetable recipes only, whey is needed for fruits) but I don't find anything written by her stating what to do if one has an issue with whey. I suspect that since the function of the whey is to help the fermentation process along that the whey is converted. And by eating the lacto-fermented items you are changing the flora in your intestine which I suspect would also be beneficial and help with your overall lactose intolerance. BUT these are just things that I think from my own research. To be safe, you might want to try doing some LF veggies just using salt (double called for) and eliminating the whey.
I'll try to do a little more research and see if I can get you a better answer.
Congrats on jumping into Real Food!

Anonymous said...

Thanks for your reply. Thats pretty much what I was thinking myself. I guess I will just have to try it and see how I go... My MIL keeps giving me probiotic supplements but I'd much rather get them from my diet if I can.

Anonymous said...

Wow, these look wonderful!

I'm relatively new to LF, but so far I've made Cortido (big Hit with me!!), salsa (big hit with the salsa eaters in the family!), and the ginger carrots (Miss, not sure what I did wrong...)

I'm wondering where you keep all of your LF goodies. My fridge is so full!

Thanks so much!
Kimber

Millie said...

Hi Kimber,

Since this post I've made Cortido too and we love it. I've also done Ginger Carrots and like you had a bit of a Miss. It's not that they are bad they are just not that good :-) I also did Kimchi which we loved. I'm waiting until summer for Salsa.

Where to keep the LF goodies is a challenge. I have a second apartment sized fridge that is pretty much full of LF stuff. But I can see a need for a better (bigger) solution. A cellar would be ideal and I am trying to convince my hubby that we need to add one. We'll see. I have heard of people storing LF stuff in the pantry. I tried that with some kraut and it got all soggy. I can't say for certain that it was from the pantry (maybe the way I processed it). I did leave some spicy carrot sticks in the pantry along with the kraut and they were still terrific. I kind of think that I could leave veggies that are in sticks or chunks in the pantry and veggies that are grated or shredded and fruit in the fridge. I'm still testing this theory though. Officially, they should have cool dry storage.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Millie!

Sorry I didn't get to check back sooner.

I haven't been brave enough to try putting any LFs in the pantry. I keep shoving stuff around in the fridge! I've got my eyes on Freecycle & Craigslist, though. Maybe a there's a second fridge out there for me somewhere. :-)

I did trace back through and find the recipe for Spicy Carrots. Yum! I really have been enjoying them with scrambled eggs in the morning, and also with a sandwich at lunch, sometimes.

I'm with you on the Cortido. It is so good! I've found that on the days I have LF veggies, I don't crave sugar/refined carbs. I'd call that a real win-win situation!

I've been trying to get my husband to eat the ferments that I make, but he can't get past the smell. *sigh* He will eat the salsa once in a while, though, so I just made a 1/2 gallon jar of that. Here's hoping...

Have a wonderful week, and keep up the great work!

Kimber

mere said...

The recipe for papaya chutney from Nourishing Traditions is definitely a HIT as well .. love you review of your creations - will definitely check back in often!

Debra said...

I'm hoping someone can help me out here. I have made lacto-fermented dill pickles, (no whey), just salt, grape leaves, dill. They are crispy and bubbly but don't taste right. They don't taste dilly, they taste very carbonated and sharp, but not good. Any ideas?

I let them sit out a few days then transferred them to fridge where they've been sitting for a couple of months. I thought they improved with age. Could they been too old?

I really want to figure this out and make something that tastes good while I can get the small pickles.

Advice welcome.

Thanks!

Millie said...

Debra,
I haven't done any kind of pickles so I'm no help to you. You might check with Wardeh at gnowfglins.com or Jenny at nourishedkitchen.com they both have extensive LF experience. Hope you can find an answer!

Rita said...

Your post was very helpful. I had tried kimchi recently and it came out fabulous, so I have been looking into other lacto fermentation projects. Based on your very positive "review" I decided to make preserved lemons when I found some organic ones on sale. I can't wait to try them!